…you have to be kidding he doesn’t love craft you don’t know any of the stuff he said no and it was a hermit traitor who’s instrumental trying though this book is about to be his that slide to publisher and he tried to find a publisher on his own of the times I just couldn’t find one like nobody was interested that ok Barnes the Larry part showed up what day look deliberately looking for the different elephant you know because he was a lot Pressman Atticus or the cult story forget although we had asked them if when it asked and the hermit’s later had the manuscript there and we the translated here so at that point Barnes who was with the printer was involved with in the printing trade his father was a printer decided that he would want to put the book himself so we did a limited edition in leather you know so there are that came out but I think it was a three editions all together sort of a lot of it after a while but they went through a number of editions and then the thing got sold to neighborhood as a paperback and it became one of them you know how keyboards was pretty good though out of fun sentence for advertising and marketing mysteries he loved to design an advertising and he would put full-page ads in magazines as disparate as National Lampoon Psychology Today full-page ads been incredible and with a bizarre approach it works you know it got a lot of coverage from a lot of places in naturally the book was attacked immediately as soon as it came the Necronomicon this was a a horrible pastiche it’s a horrible hoax and so forth so pathetic doesn’t really even Lovecraft you know and all that went on as far as I was concerned the fact that it wasn’t really Lovecraft meant that it probably was you know the real relevance right yeah it’s also we’ve been a lot better than what look good when Lovecraft was around nobody really knew much about Sumeria did days and ale I mean Sumeria was discovered they knew about it I think world war one carrier me before he died the information come out about Sumeria but it wasn’t a lot a tab was having to translate two years after I say guys after he died so the major Sumerian works that come out yet you know in print you have the end of the commission all of the other creation epics and stuff I don’t think that came out while he was alive I’m not sure nobody I don’t think the stuff was out there so it’s a unusual that you know his references to it matched you know with some of the Sumerian stuff that came out later uh-huh but he wouldn’t he would have been able to imagine that the Necronomicon was you know a partially Sumerian text or based on that Sumerian text because though I doubt that very much you know I don’t think he could have got there… hey okay we’ll be back with more from Peter Levenda about the Necronomicon after these messages from our sponsors… hi this is Tracy Twyman from 1996 to 2003 my magazine Dagobert revenge was a beacon to those seeking the light of the Holy Grail long before the hype 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that this guy is a publisher right imagine the rush oh yeah sure you go into his store says you know all I really have an economic on film I said yeah so this was quite a rush for him I need a change of life it was a major influence you know on him I mean he was he was focused on 100% after that that been only briefly by the death of Elvis Presley who he idolized as well if he made it Elvis Presley Calendar or something but the mid-foot the Necronomicon he was really totally focused on it I was creating you know the most beautiful huggable addition he could and quite frankly I think that the first edition that first lover edition would will attack again just too much silver and you know too many gar boyish looking dumplings too much eldridge stuff on there but anyway he liked it and it was very successful you know the first edition sold out before it was even printed it sold out strictly word of mouth so it paid for itself so than the other two editions after that finally gave up kicked it open I think what they bought it well close to the million copies a million though you know that’s not really if that fella returns with New York Times footage you know Simon and also William s Burroughs who wrote a letter after he read the Necronomicon wrote a letter to you guys they both seem to think that the publication of the Necronomicon was a historically significant event that this is going to have a major ripple effect or that it has already at a major ripple effect on public consciousness pop culture history me do you agree with that do you think that it was an important event well yeah I think it was important in several different ways in the first place when the New Age is concerned a lot of the occultism is judeo-christian let’s say the case of Solomon you know the books of the six seven billion books of Moses all this kind of stuff and it was all based upon a Jewish and Christian concept but with with the coming of the New Age you had a lot of deal paganism and there was not a system of ceremonial magic designed for an evil neo-pagan mentality it was all based upon you know Jewish and Christian concepts which were themselves borrowed from pagan you know origin but the pagan origins were gone I mean for the most part that were no texts about that so I think the sense the Necronomicon kind of filled a need for people to feel pain in sensibilities to become involved in the higher magic substrate that’s that’s one thing that’s very specific I suppose you…