…was defecting from the whole thing all the intelligent stuff that was going all the politics all of the backstabbing and a drew was a mode of self-glorification to the point where I was getting the oxygen was very thin around him so he eventually formed an alliance with another Ukrainian Orthodox Church and informed you know a kind of a sustainable lifestyle based on that and he had a lot of other priests and monks from different denominations different ups churches who joined his church especially once he had the kind of legitimacy of his involvement with some legitimate Orthodox churches so he attracted some other people but some of the people he attracted were less than savory characters and two of them were monks who were involved in rare book theft these are guys who made their living going from library to library whether it was university libraries public libraries personal collection and stealing books and they would steal these books they have you think voluminous robes will be mentioned at the beginning of the program and they would hide books that would take them out to a van that they had had equipment in there for erasing the ink markings of libraries for raising the feel like the impressions of the paper steal from the librarians they could hear addict ate all this and then sell the books you know to collectors they were making a living doing this Newman based in New York City they had a operation in Queens in Jamaica Queen and they had equipment up there for processing these stolen books and they would occasionally rebind them or they would tear out the illustrations and the maps and sell them separately which was horrible crimes yes it’s absolutely horrible they would do that and they belong to the slaughter what the best church and and review about this if you know what they were up to and as long as they were taking back stuff to him he didn’t really mind it very much you know as long but it involved him in the actual theft so Andrews interest was always in folks other occultation so he had a small collection a growing collection of old films you know various kind and it turned out he had stacks of things in boxes manuscripts and all that sort of thing I was over there one day and the rest is history opened up the box and saw a manuscript this a Greek name and we didn’t know what it meant you know Necronomicon we thought you know means something to do with the dead you have to understand we didn’t read HP Lovecraft we weren’t reading that stuff he had no knowledge of it back in the seventies we just wasn’t part of our lifestyle you know to read a cult picture so you can ever heard of Gothic auras doesn’t just wasn’t there you know we didn’t know so for us the name ed nothing you know just having that something to do with death you know with – there were some strange vigils and stuff in it and it looked pretty cool you know and that was really the discovery of it I mean it was just right there we said let’s you know let’s do something with this so you borrowed it for a while yeah photocopied it and then gave it back right and it ended up disappearing right the original yes this was due to the fact that these book fees Denver shortly thereafter arrested by the feds and their arrest made national headlines made headlines in the air time the Christian Science Monitor everywhere front page you know blow molds the pages into the largest rare book heist in the history of the United States these guys had pulled off something unbelievable and there’s lists very partial list in the newspaper accounts of the universities they got some of the books that they had stolen like I said very partial data so it’s all over the country including Canada Mexico so I think they had to make restitution somehow give back the books they did have they still had in their possession given accounting of other books but I mean the task was daunting there were just so many books that have been stolen but I don’t know if they ever you know get full accounting but the the documentation that exists is only that they stole books to all the major libraries multi major universities some of which were worth you know hundreds of thousands of dollars seven when they were arrested Andrew went nuts it was very frightened that he was going to be implicated all of us so he destroyed whatever he had at the books have given him so you think it’s possible that that’s when the original of the Necronomicon was destroyed well no one that I thought I’m sure was destroyed he struck his droid everything he had some very good looks there it was a shame he had some old books on astrology palmistry different languages you know in French I mean there was a lot of interesting stuff that he had which disappeared I mean after he died you know no one’s seen it no one just need any of it he destroyed a lot of a lot of stuff but there was a lot of political stuff around here lately towards the end of his life as well so you know he kept those he had some the ornate furnaces still you know these porcelain stones like some the Renaissance period you know some beautiful pieces of using a tea collector he loved that team and he you know these are cold fires and he just kept those things running day and night when I understand as he was burning you know a lot of stuff that he had scared to death he would wind up in jail along with the Bucks who belong to his church and how did he end up time he says he dope it’s a little spooky people say it was suicide and probably that’s what it was one of his hobbies was in gilding metal so he would you to put gold leaf on something or he would he would play with metals a lot it was with gilt and you use arsenic in that process of electroplating and the story is that somehow a vial of arsenic fell he died from the fumes but the story doesn’t hold water because he had a cat in the laboratory with him his little place in the box and the cat survived teach them to document fields it appears the villains either murder or suicide invite a bit suicide his father had committed suicide a few years before right so it’s possible that the the guilt that it is white upon him but there were political situations as well you creating a church that he was involved in that suddenly came into its own with the fall of the Soviet Union and the life that he had been living up until then is being threatened the heads of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church from Ukraine were coming to the United States to kind of reassert their authority over the parishes and the diocese here and I think that energy until he was on his way out one way or the other so who knows you know a little bit of combination of things I just don’t know how it’s so interesting you know there’s so many of these things in history and you discuss a lot of them in your books where something really significant happened and then the proof of it disappears and you know it’s actually it’s happened to me too so I know it happens but it seems to happen really you know with these significant documents I mean I guess you have a little bit of sympathy for Joseph Smith in a way you know his original gold plates disappeared yeah I think that happens where it happens all the time so this story the story is just at this point you were getting on it the magical child shop ooh Simon and you also knew you still knew Andrew and you know that he became aware that he had this book and so you copied it for yourself and gave it back and then you you would Simon and I guess some other people translated it and prepared it for publication that’s right okay and then it basically spent a little while in most circulation with the limited edition copies being printed and then Avon books printed a paperback version and it became this huge hit yeah yeah we didn’t we didn’t expect it we had done a lot of thinking about about this book I mean it was Herman Slater who said you know you’ve got to be kidding that you don’t have to deal Necronomicon do you and you said well you know what is that you…