…all right Tracy are Twyman back with you at the plus ultra podcast we’re talking to author and international man of mystery Peter Levenda so you’ve heard about Levenda involvement with the Slavonic Orthodox Church now here comes the part where he describes his involvement with the publication of a text known as the Necronomicon many of you are familiar with the references to this legendary grimoire in the short stories of American horror writer HP Lovecraft from the early 20th century Lovecraft describes it as this long sought-after super secret super dangerous magical text it contains spells to call it primordial demons from a time before time the great old ones as he calls them they once ruled the earth but were overthrown by newer God’s somewhat like the Titans were overthrown by the Olympian gods yet they still lie dead but dreaming according to Lovecraft underneath the surface of the earth waiting to be brought back to life by the satanic rites of cultists who secretly worshipped them and when they rise again chaos will reign supreme the Necronomicon was always thought to be nothing but a fictional element in Lovecraft stories and it became an integral part of some of the stories written by his colleagues as well many more copycat stories followed after Lovecraft’s death today experts on literature refer to these stories as part of what they call the Cthulhu Mythos named after the main figure in the hierarchy of Lovecraft’s great old ones Cthulhu there are literally thousands of books short stories movies rock bands and role-playing games that make use of the Cthulhu Mythos or refer to the Necronomicon as part of this is because of the popularity of Lovecraft which has grown exponentially since his death but part of it is also because in the 1970s a book was published claiming to be the actual Necronomicon it was allegedly written by an Arab magician writing in Greek and reiterating magical spells that stems supposedly from ancient Sumeria it tells how to use the magical power of the Elder Gods the good gods of Sumeria to protect the planet from the evils of the ancient ones the bad gods the equivalent to Lovecraft’s great old ones when I first interviewed Peter lavinda in 1999 for dagger Bert’s revenge magazine I asked him mainly about his book that was out at the time unholy alliance about Nazi occultism but during the week that I was preparing the interview questions I happen to pop open my copy of the 1970s Necronomicon for some odd reason and I noticed for the first time that Peter Levenda was mentioned in the acknowledgments I thought this was an amazing coincidence as I had known the book since I was 12 but had only recently discovered the author Peter Levenda so I asked Mr Levenda about it in the interview and he replied that he had been involved in some of the translations for the book many years later I came across an article in The New York press called the doom that came to Chelsea written by Allan cabal in at the author claimed to have been involved with the circle of a cultists in New York that had been responsible for publishing the Necronomicon and that the whole thing had been fabricated by the person who is credited as the editor in the Necronomicon known by the alias Simon Allen cabal claimed that Simon was in fact Peter Levenda I quote into this bubbling swamp of spiritual fecundity stepped Peter Levenda aka Simon charming soft-spoken and aloof well-versed in all aspects of occult theory and practice he eased his way into the center of the scene the text itself was Levin descri a ssin a synthesis of Sumerian and later Babylonian myths and texts peppered with names of entities from H P Lovecraft’s notorious and enormous ly popular Cthulhu stories Simon was also Levenda descri a ssin he cultivated an elusive secretive persona giving him a fantastic and blatantly implausible line of to cover the books origins he had no telephone he always wore business suits in stark contrast to the flamboyant Renaissance Fair proto goth costuming that dominated the scene he never got high in public in short he knew the signifiers and envelopes of authority and played them to the hilt he hinted broadly of dealings with intelligence agencies and secret societies operating at global levels of social influence so when I set up this latest interview I decided to ask Peter Levenda about these accusations in fact it turned out that a book had recently been published written by this mysterious Simon detailing the alleged of the Necronomicon so I read the book which Peter Levenda kindly provided me a copy of and then I asked him some pointed questions now that you’re willing to now you saw the sort of pre-interview questions that I sent him you can you can see what I’m thinking after I read dead names which is credited to the author Simon who’s also the person who is listed as the editor of the Necronomicon I read that I gotta say that there’s a lot of similarities between Simon and you and it’s hard for me but unless you give me some other information you know it really seems like you are Simon am I wrong well a lot of people make that assumption at this point you know after so many here if that assumption has made a lot I mean there have been other assumptions may as well later or Larry Barnes or some combination other people yeah you know it’s a long it’s a false assumption however the similarities when you do the fact that I occasionally edit other people’s work especially when there are a grandmother Alicia my brakes so to make you know the stamp of my my but you were involved in the entity this lady’s book that names yeah yeah how do I put it in an informal sort of way I just look at it especially because welcomes about me yeah well it make sure that me oh nothing too outrageous I mean really that’s what part of it that made me think really that you were names that you know the first a large portion of the book is about you and your life your teenagehood that you’ve already described for us and it seemed like it was building up to something and then it sort of switches all the sudden to being about Simon and you know there’s no it ends up with you you mean I guess a translator for the Necronomicon but it seemed to me like since it was telling your own life details subscreen tale the great tale that it seemed like I was a bit surprised that you would end up being somewhat of a minor character in the end to to the whole story well it was the thing is the story of the discovery of this book is really bound up with the the church and you can’t really tell the story about telling the story of the church which is which is in itself a pretty good story so you can’t believe the decision was made and I tell this story because people have to know how this happened okay so you know if he just say was discovered by a couple of lungs from this church well that information has been out there all along because in the truth out there sorry you know literature it’s been out there in the various introductions of purposes to various editions of economic on and it was mentioned in the Necronomicon spell book so these the ideas were out there and we were always kind of astonished that nobody picked up on it and developed beliefs that we gave there were there were clues here and there you know about what had happened to with a transpired and no one really followed up there was always clamor of you know the book dealers it’s not you know who’s signed everything but the the information was always out there and she’s terribly bothered to look so I think that they you know let’s put this to rest let’s tell the story has it happened in the church are referring to as the Slavonic Orthodox Church that you and Andrew started when you were teenagers okay so if you wouldn’t mind just giving us a short version of it how did the Slavonic Orthodox Church somehow how would how were they involved in the discovery in the publication of the Necronomicon well it goes back to back in the 1970s the church had been started we were involved with the AOC C as I mentioned before the American Catholic Church I pretty much was defecting from the whole thing all the intelligence stuff that was going all the politics all the backstabbing sort of epiphany and agile was a move mode of self-glorification to the point where I was getting the oxygen was very thin around…