…this ultimate the church seems to apply to you noticing being privy to the involvement of US intelligence in these obscure Orthodox churches and ascertain what you were actually asked by someone in the military to spy on other people in your church I just not quite sure of military the right word kind of murky and ambiguous okay I’ll give you a little bit of the background after the Kennedy funeral as we were leaving the church rewrite into a couple of people who were dressed oddly and appeared to be people sort of similar glove and may just ask us a few questions about what church you represented etc and they gave us a few brochures from their own church the one of us they want to introduce themselves to us one of them to visit them in their church within the prongs also so we decided we would check them out and we went to the church 180 third Street and Arthur abdomen drops at that time is not there anymore and it was a beautiful little building and it was the headquarters of something called the American Orthodox Catholic Church AOTP and we became involved with it we visited him on one Sunday we hung out with them for a while they had no clue and we were younger we’re under 21 they thought you know with all of our ropes and all of our the dollars that we had acquired that we were at least in our twenties this led to a kind of a contra talk later but at the moment everything was fine we went along swimmingly in this relationship and the head of that church of the iotv was a net called Profeta walter professor vladimir and he boasted of his relationships with us intelligence now I’m only 17 18 year old in time and this is the American Orthodox Catholic Church is neither a normal Catholic Church to our normal Orthodox Church is it yeah you could say it’s rather American or reproduction it it was both prophetic himself with the Ukrainian he was a priest in the ukrainian orthodox church was such is illegitimate denomination and for reasons that are too long probe’s going to hear he he left the Ukrainian church and started this this American Orthodox branch there’s a lot of Sacramento Street food goes on and on but basically the short form is he started his own church became a bishop with his own church and eventually the patriarch of his own church so he gave himself a lot of title but at the Ukrainian he was a dedicated anti-communist I think this was the his raison d’etre was fighting communism and he had got been on television a number of times trying to alert the American people to the dangers of communism he was a specialist in promoting the news about the katene Forest massacre which the Soviets that had instigated killing a lot of Ukrainian people in barrington and ditches know a sort of thing so he was a prominent communist it he showed me was the letter that he received from Thomas Dewey promising him he would be the White House chaplain when do we wasn’t presidency so remember do he was running against room and forgot of attacking in fact that night taking that Dewey at one he was getting ready to become the chaplains of course Truman wanted he was up so that was going on and then every once in a while people would show up at the church in you know black wingtips and white shirts and black ties and they would go into prophetic office and have little meetings in there and pretend it openly boasts that on his board of directors he had one FBI agents and when CIA agent so he told me all of this i carefully paid attention to it and filed it away little bit I know the extent of his operation until years later when I began to read to declassify Kennedy assassination file and find out that the AOS DC was was kind of prominent at least in Jim Harrison fun when he was conducting his investigation in the world because Jason Terry belong to it Jack Martin belong to it a lot of the supposed co-conspirators me Kennedy assassination were members of the ALDC they were not just lay members mean they were bishops priests and bishops of the church I conducted investigations later as late as the five years ago or so meeting some of these bishops who were still alive and having correspondence between that interviewing them and it’s a wild story you know just unbelievably strange prophetic had managed to get hoover to give him a kind of other what you would call it a kind of blessing to start the church and he was using the FBI of security people to check the references of people who want to be published in his church and it was a very incestuous relationship having the FCC and the FBI the a sec was used to move agents into and out of the country even when i was there we during the dr in civil war in nigeria we had a bishop a so-called bishop come in from from Nigeria to be consecrated a bishop in New York I prefer and went back into Nigeria could never figure without enough what happens all about but this bishop was the anti-v after enforcement he orbited the national or you know so wherever there was a good side or that side / cut it was always that any conflict you know so I met this guy myself I mean I was there at the airport to welcome into the book of them into the country and his his name was Aaliyah but it was holy prophet Aaliyah that was his name so at his ordination of consecration document deserves Bishop HT who you bishop holy prophet who you I mean I wouldn’t even sure cuz God’s Christian Commission through Bishop in the church there was always an intelligence angle to everything for feather was doing there was always some weird agenda there are always some strange for coming in and go ahead and as I found out where da OCC still involved as late as the Serbian in Kosovo crisis I mean there’s members of the church that I knew back in the 1950s who were involved in running guns and laundering money for some of the Serbian war criminal so you know they’ve been around for a long time and they’re always always seem to be involved in something intelligence related and always on the anti-communist or the right wing or faster cut someone’s from the government contacted you trying to get you to spy for them well it wasn’t it wasn’t like that what happened was um where the whole reason for this church everything else of course was to give us a a kind of a shield where draft was different and as long as we were conducting services of those are behaving as clergyman to do what we could it was a legitimate shield but we still had to have the improv on tour of the Selective Service of people in order to make sure we were attracted and what we had to do was go to the head of selective service in New York City and I had a meeting with him with another clergyman of this of this American Orthodox Catholic Church of the mCP we had a meeting with the head of the selective service operation of that service system in New York City Colonel he had the rank of colonel in the Army I suppose but he wore civilian clothes and very sort of John or let’s say Allen Dulles appearance patches on the elbows a sweet jacket mustache and pipe and he SAT there and he gave me the port or D status which is the ministerial determine right there but noble you don’t get that from the head of what the service right something of the process for paperwork it was done face to face and there was an understanding you know that we’re all in this thing together and that the the Orthodox churches are somewhat suspect you know some of the Russian churches were running spies into the US from Moscow we knew this was even covered in the newspapers at the time so there was this understanding that was going to be a quid pro quo so for you to spy on other clergy for the government right in exchange for your your traffic reverb so what the permit right okay and so did you actually do this for a while did you report it was nothing to report you know it was all sort of stupid I mean we would go to the Russian orthodox church because we were trying to form relationships with other Orthodox churches…