Welcome back to the plus ultra podcast this is Tracy R Twyman now comes part two of our interview with Peter Levenda author of unholy alliance and history of Nazi involvement with the occult and the brand-new three-part series sinister forces a grimoire of American political witchcraft later on we’re going to get into the subject of the Necronomicon which Levenda had some involvement with and has even been rumored to be the author of but first a little necessary background information on the man Levenda he’s led an exciting life that started with him founding his own Orthodox Church attending the funeral of Robert Kennedy as a clergyman and working as an unofficial intelligence asset for the US military here once again is Peter Levenda Peter where did you grow up and what sort of a 3-digit as well well I grew up all around the country I was born in New York City but my parents moved around a lot as I was growing up so we lived in Indiana in Chicago for a number of years and New Hampshire for a couple of years but I basically graduated from high school in New York City we eventually made our way back there my father was kind of a failed actor and between one thing and another probably just wound up wandering around the country looking for work and I understand that your father at one point of embarrassment and got you some scrutiny from the government – yeah his David mentioned in a few books mostly focused written by academics about a particular period in the history of Gary Indiana which is where he was born and raised and he was involved in something called the Gary school strike which I believe 1945 1946 something like that and that was a school strike that was started over integration there was a move to integrate the public schools in Gary Indiana and my father was involved in some kind of debating team at global high school which is where he was going to school he was the president of the Students Union at the same time and the debate was over whether or not the school should be integrated or segregated and my father came down on the segregation part and became kind of well known as a segregationist and at the leader of the Gary school strike so basically he was a segregationist and it caused so much fewer in the country at the time that Frank Sinatra who was on his way I guess to some gig in Chicago decided you would stop over in Gary Indiana and tried to solve the problem to the course of his own personality I suppose so he made a visit to the Gary High School Auditorium where there was a big meeting on the issue of integrating the school and he was not warmly received he was being basically as an outsider trying to come in and solve problems and not finding very much success there he went to my father’s home to try to convince him to call off the school strike so you’ll find in there’s a book out I believe it’s called the Frank Sinatra file which is a collection of the FBI files on Sinatra particularly during this period and my father’s things mentioned there a number of times the FBI thought my father was a communist which is the city’s thing because we knew that Sinatra had had some kind of associations with some leftist or socialist types and they thought that Sinatra’s presence in Indiana was some kind of a socialist thing and therefore they were making the assumption that my father was some kind of communist which is 180 degrees opposite from what he was that’s a segregationist he was a right-wing kind of John Berger type and it was no way on earth I keep it new station for a communist but anyway the FBI thought he might be slaver they were collecting file button how did your father react to having Frank Sinatra come over his house he pull out whether now I understand found the time you were going to graduate high school you were staring the possibility of the draft in the face trying to figure out how to get out of that and you couldn’t afford to go to college to use that as a way out so you and a friend of yours named Andrew came up with very unusual ideas explain that to us sure well like many things in life is always more than one motivation my friend and I were very involved in religious studies would say I was very involved in studying religion since I was very young and all forms of religions including you know extreme forms like Pope ISM or mysticism on the one hand and different religious groups on the other I would cause all sorts of churches and temples whatever I could find just to get some kind of an idea of what was going on and I was very religiously minded as early in my late teens I was really thinking seriously of some kind of religious vocation and I had met a friend of mine in high school in the Bronx who was having similar backgrounds like he was happy check and have Slovak and he also had a fascination for the church but his fascination was more for the department ceremony of it he liked the he liked the vestments that he liked the the golden chalices and all the rest of it and he liked the way which you know clergymen were afforded all sorts of privileges that the rest of us didn’t enjoy and this was a different time I have to remind you in there listed back in the 1960s clergymen had a lot of stuff I mean they wouldn’t get charged going on a bus or a subway people would just you know allow them on for free you know the kind of respect that they gave the clergymen could walk into almost any building anywhere at the quarters all sorts of immediate to respect these days of course have changed a lot but in the old days which was an old-fashioned kind of idea and my friend really liked that no sooner of us were graduating high school in 1968 which pretty much meant we were probably going to be up or something close to it and my idea was why not form a church because we knew that clergymen would not be attracted so we formed a church we organized a church around man that we knew who was a bishop from Slovakia who was living as a displaced person in the United States and he had been had a very checkered career in the church he was involved with Church in Czechoslovakia there was the invasion by the Nazis from the invasion by the Russians and eventually he got out and came to the United States that the church was sort of formed around him so we got together but you know looks for the church let’s use this time our spiritual leader and will incorporate the church any you folks are cheap and immature you of course for 17 years old at the time that’s right okay please you know in 68 it was Vietnam I mean it was motivated the motivation was and so we thought you know let’s do it so we incorporated that of course you would Sooyoung actually defined the incorporation papers ourselves so we had to get other people to help us do that and so we had adult sign-off those papers and we incorporated the church and we health services I mean we we help services every Sunday we went did other churches in New York City this was about church services did people come to the services Oh sometimes friends of ours perhaps it got to the point where we had developed a kind of a of a small floating congregation you know we were in intent on doing this the right way you know so we we were trying to run a legitimate includes the obstacle type organization so what we did is we imposed a clogging Protestant minister in the box and had a church a very nice Dutch Reformed Church and we managed to cut a deal with him that we would be able to use this church for services you know undated he wasn’t using it so he would have a service on Sunday let’s say it’s 8 or 9 o’clock in the morning that he would do something at 11 o’clock or whatever so it worked out pretty well for a while you…